[OAM-talk] OAM meetup, background and agenda

Tue Aug 18 09:02:00 MDT 2009

Thanks David

We'll keep the offer in mind.  We should have our hosts back up shortly.

- Charlie.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:40 AM, David
Loring<David.Loring at globalgroup.us.com> wrote:
> Charles, is anyone resolving the hosting issues with OAM?  I have
> support from our management to host the service on our servers either
> permanently or on a temporary basis.
>
> David.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at openaerialmap.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at openaerialmap.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:56 PM
> To: Mikel Maron
> Cc: talk at openaerialmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OAM-talk] OAM meetup, background and agenda
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've cleaned up the OAM reboot page and stubbed an outline to help us
> achieve an agenda for Monterey and a longer-term roadmap.  Please feel
> free to re-shuffle as needed, but lets make sure we have a thorough
> discussion of what goals we want this project to achieve.  There is
> clearly some misunderstanding here and it would be helpful to get
> everyone on the same page moving forward.
>
> http://wiki.openaerialmap.org/OAM_2009
>
> - Charlie.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Mikel Maron<mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Want to give some background and structure to the proposed OAM design
>> workshop.
>>
>> Camp Roberts. Last week, David Bitner, Chris Lippitt, and a bunch of
> other
>> great folks participated in RELIEF experiements coordinated by
> Star-Tides
>> [http://star-tides.net/] and the Naval Postgraduate School
>> [http://www.nps.edu/]. We went to test software integrations and
> simulate
>> field conditions that mapping projects for humanitarian relief would
> face in
>> places like Afghanistan. Most of the groups involved, like myself
>> representing OpenStreetMap, blogged about the awesome work there,
>> recommended reading... http://delicious.com/tag/camproberts
>>
>> The main driver for the week was the NGA authorization to share
> sub-meter
>> resolution imagery of eastern Aghanistan with "civilian partners".
> Google
>> brought down a Fusion server, and had that hefty server producing
> tiles.
>> That job ran overnight and saved tiles to a portable drive that is now
>> sitting in the only bar in eastern Afghanistan. Though this is very
> very
>> awesome, we lamented that this was the only resulting copy of this
> imagery,
>> and the uplink from that bar is not conducive to downloading hundreds
> of
>> gigabytes of data.
>>
>> We naturally started talking about OpenAerialMap. OpenStreetMap had an
>> excellent showing last week, providing data and integrating in
> multiple ways
>> .. why wasn't the same concept working for aerial imagery despite
> everyone's
>> herculian efforts over the last couple years? Well we all know the
> story
>> here thanks to Chris's write up on the real world experience on his
> awesome
>> app, Cristiano's workshop at SOTM, and the thorough threads from
> yesterday.
>> In my view, basically OSM could succeed because its resource curve was
> not
>> steep, allowing for a very small group of folks to build something
> usable,
>> and giving space for a community to form, step up and offer resources
> as
>> needed. OAM is not in this position. The processing and storage
> requirements
>> of rasters versus vectors means that, from the start, a great deal of
>> resources need to be on hand OR a great deal of cooperation needs to
> be in
>> place.
>>
>> We have tried to coordinate OAM over the list and wiki for the past
> couple
>> years. There has been much exploration and hacking on ideas. Yet, we
> remain
>> today without a concrete steps forward. After the quick work at Camp
>> Roberts, it's clear that what OAM has lacked is a clearly articulated
> set of
>> use cases and plan to drive the project. We feel that face-to-face
> time
>> among interested parties would help clarify these use cases, and form
> a plan
>> for moving forward.
>>
>> MONTERREY
>>
>> When the sponsors of the Camp Roberts exercises, the Naval
> Postgraduate
>> School and Star-Tides, heard this story, they were intriguied and now
> want
>> to help. They are looking into the possibility of hosting a 3 day
> design
>> workshop at NPS, and possibly covering some travel costs. This would
> be a
>> very generous offer that could set OAM in the right direction.
>>
>> The goal of the workshop would be to produce an achievable roadmap for
> the
>> development of OAM. There seems to be general consensus already that
> some
>> kind of federated structure is the way forward. Many details within
> that
>> need to be worked out. In the time preceeding the workshop, we'd want
> to
>> debate and capture as many ideas as possible. I heartily second
> David's call
>> to start feeding discussion into wiki pages, and Richard's call to
> work
>> towards a meeting agenda. In my mind, here's a few of the general
> types of
>> things we want to capture, perhaps each on a seperate page of the
> wiki. This
>> could be something like a structured brainstorming, with the pros and
> cons
>> of all ideas laid out, an attempt to catalog the thinking of everyone
> in the
>> community.
>>
>> * Use and Problem Cases. To drive the design process. We've seen
> everything
>> from someone wanting to share photos from their DIYUAV, to small
>> municipalities posting their imagery, to complete global coverage.
>> * Goals. What are the potential goals.
>> * Current Data Sources. Potential Data Sources. Who is offering, where
> is
>> the data, what is the format.
>> * Licensing. Imagery is available in many licenses. What are possible
> ways
>> to deal with this complexity?
>> * Architecture. What does a federated imagery sharing system look
> like?
>> Perhaps we could divide this up into a number of different scenarios,
> that
>> cover a broad number of ideas .. everything from a very simple
> catalog, to
>> blue sky dreams.
>> * Standards. What's out there and what's missing?
>> * Tools and potential code. What are our building blocks?
>> * Potential Hardware and Hosting. Even in a distributed model, someone
> needs
>> to offer up resources for this thing to run.
>> * Interested individuals. Your organization and general take on OAM.
>>
>> Would anyone be ready to step up and take this, or some other suitable
>> structure, and create stubs, etc in the OAM wiki??
>>
>> In this wiki brainstorming, we can remain open to what OAM actually
> is. In
>> the most general sense, many folks want a way to easily share and
> combine
>> aerial imagery.
>>
>> Once we get to the workshop stage, the driving goal will be to take
> the
>> collected ideas through consensus into a workable design roadmap. What
> is
>> achievable in the next six months? What ideas are years away and how
> do we
>> possibly get there? If we make quick work of the roadmap, there may
> also be
>> time for some quick prototyping and hacking. Components of the roadmap
> could
>> possibly be developed into fundable projects, and acts as motivation
> towards
>> more cooperative imagery licensing within the US government.
>>
>> PRACTICALITIES
>>
>> At this moment, we're still waiting for specifics from NPS. We'd like
> to see
>> a quorum of core interested people attend in person. Myself and John
> Crowley
>> from Star-Tides would like to take a neutral faciliation role to help
> the
>> process. For those that can't attend, we would make every effort to
> include
>> remote participants, through IRC or Skype. The results need to be
> acceptable
>> to the OAM community as a whole.
>>
>> Perhaps these questions can be briefly answered by everyone in the
> wiki.
>>
>> Who? Who's interested to attend. There's a pratical limit to the size
> of the
>> workshop. Want to make sure the workshop is representative. Thinking
> that a
>> very brief application process might be called for.
>>
>> When? Over the next couple months, which weekends are possible for the
>> greatest number of these people. Sometime in last half of September,
> first
>> half of October.
>>
>> Where? NPS is in Monterrey. Realize that's more difficult for some
> than
>> others, but that will be the case for this globe spanning project.
> There
>> will potentially be support in place.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>> Eager to hear your thoughts on this plan, who and when, and most
> especially
>> seeing the discussion translated into the wiki.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mikel
>>
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